26-second video of tower implosion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr2TFLlA3jA

10-minute video on weekend of implosion
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=219831080351699112

http://www.industcards.com/ppworld.htm

I just thought I’d share with Ecochic(k),
the size of the phenomenon we all speak of so blithely.
View these existing Powerplants, ….most of ‘em
in the damndest backward third world locales,
where they represent the best thing these places have ever seen.

Are we gonna tear ‘em all down?
How? Answer is, we can’t. It’s there, and its gonna stay there.
Without these nasty smoking stinkholes, millions go without
medical facilities, transport, food, air conditioning, and communications.
Many, many more of them are on the way.
What kind shall they be ? ? ? ?
Yes, Hydro & wind are fine.
But only Gaia’s nukes can raise the Human Race
to where it must go…….a whole world alight
with freedom & power, no smoke,
no stink, silent wonder at the Gaian Plan.
The Earth itself invented the method
at Oklo, Gabon, 2 billion years ago.
We should gracefully, and gratefully, accept the gift.

Keep it coming likewise with all the female-led relationships.
That paradigm can save us all in the end.

The newly non-tribal cannot see what you see, and what I see.
They retain the procreate-at-all-cost mandate of old,
and now have cheap air fare to everywhere.
(Look at poor liberal Holland!)

30 billion Starre, sorry.

Pardon, must leave now, to worship my Home-Goddess
(no uranium in this house though,.. ever).

GM

And as far as having 30 billion people on the planet, I am sure it won’t get to that. As soon as women have control over their own bodies, they can choose to have 1-2 children, or none (my preference). Most women do not want to be incubators for half their lives, but are destined to a life of such fecundity due to lack of family planning available. Yes, most women want to have children, no, most of them don’t want 6 of them.

We have never met,
I’ve only ever seen some silly pictures of you,
at a bar somewhere, but I just can’t help liking you.
You enjoy life.
We all, each & every one of us, sleep, as you say,
with a chunk of uranium beneath us.

That chunk is known as “Terra” or “Earth” or, if you will, “Gaia”.
We also sleep with a chunk of hot volcanic lava beneath us….. Gaia again.
Would you plunge your hand into the lava?…. Of course not.
Would you lovingly embrace a uranium bedpillow?…. I think not.

HOWEVER …
Both of those powerful Gaian outpourings are GIFTS!!
Gaia gives, and we are allowed to accept, and use, or die out
and become mere food for whatever creature accepts the gifts.
(Gaia’s first Law).

Neither volcanoes nor uranium are evil,
they are both natural, even supernatural, gifts.
The greenest gifts ever given our humble monkeyrace.
We ought to use them.
Hope to meet you someday, Rem,
and hoist a brandy (organic of course)
to our momma,
Goddess Gaia!

Now, to the Protection of Mother Earth’s Daughters!

6000 Chinese coal miners die on average each year,
mining the coal used to create the permanent east Asian atmospheric disturbance
which has been visible from outer space for the last decade,
the brown death-smog which now grows increasingly worse each year.
Not only do the massive mining operations mar the breast of mother earth,
causing acid runoffs into streams, killing fish, deforesting
entire provinces with irreparable open scars,
but the impoverishment & lung disease following stunt the lives of millions,
to place the sleeping giant, China, at the forefront of the fossil burning nations.

The single technology most protective of mother earth,
of the miners, of the atmosphere, of the steams, their fish, their trees,
and all the poor people dependent on them,
is the gift of the Earth itself, giving heat without burning anything,
vastly reducing mining operations by a thousand,
or ten thousand orders of magnitude for the same power (thus saving 6000 lives directly),
the minerals used by bacteria ages ago, and used today in the biomimetic triumph on the Hudson, Indian Point.

Closing Indian Point would necessitate the burning of oil, or coal in the USA, on the same scale as in China,
shooting us backwards 200 years in one fell swoop, back to the age of “Black Birmingham”, when 100,000
people per year would die of lung disease in England, from the soot clouds of Birmingham’s factories.

Mother Earth has given us a way out. Are we to deny its existence out of malicious self pride?
Gaia’s self warming minerals are here whether we use them or not. You don’t burn them.
You need not even mine any more of them (simply use what we already possess).
Simply acknowlege the purity, the pristine invisibility of the Indian Point process,
which makes no smoke, buries its own waste in its own casks, emits no greenhouse gas,
and asks only to be allowed to continue to protect our mother earth with her own gift.

This is the moral fact of it.
This is the one ethical solution to it.
This is the scientific reality of it.
Any denial of this, is malicious self promotion,
based on malicious misinformation,
and is, in fact, the knowing promotion of intentional death.

GreenMind

Remy C, the reason your posts disappear,
is that Gaia is angry with you.
Fighting the natural intentions of your mother planet
is never a good thing, and always results in emptiness.

This planet, called Earth, or Terra, which has awakened as the living being known as Gaia
has assembled itself over eons , eons in which examples were layed down for the wise
to ponder and learn from. What better way to solve some modern day problem, than to
observe what the planet or its life forms has done in the past, under similar circumstances.

This outlook might be termed biomimetics, or Gaiamimetics, and its lessons ought to help
avoid plans or agendae too uninformed, too unconnected to Gaian reality to succeed.

One incident that happened spontaneously 2 billion years ago, was the formation
of the mats of Oklo. Bacterial beings, the earliest known life forms, have formed
mats or nodules around the globe, similar to coral reefs, as both their living homes,
and as the historical record of their having existed. In Australia, the nodules of their
habitations still exist,in coastal waters, and are known as stromatolites.

At Oklo, in Gabon, Africa, similar creatures have left not only mats, but a mineralized
historical record of the most surprising kind, a record only decipherable recently,
using physical knowlege not available until late in the twentieth century.

At Oklo, a deposit of heavy minerals existed in a wet environment, perhaps a stream.
For 12 billion years or so, nothing notable occurred, until micro-organisms occupied
the inner spaces between grains of this mineral deposit, using it as their home,
but also inadvertently acting as a living moderator for certain chemical reactions
now enabled to occur within the mineral itself.

On a steady basis, interludes of wetting, drying, growing, and changing occurred,
completely altering the raw minerals, to suit the needs of the stromatolite population
living within the grains, and leaving (as in Australia) , a permanent record of
their having lived. Microbiotic symbiosis between bacteria and an inorganic chemical reaction had created the special conditions required to permanently alter the mineral, and thus write the record
of the Oklo mats, in stone, or rather, in metal.

The stone, a uraninite oxide, now contains an imbalance of its U238 and U235 metals which is easily recognizable to scientists, as the result of a biological nuclear reactor. The depletion in
its 235 species of metal can’t be attributed to any other cause, and could not have happened any other way. The Oklo bacteria created their own living Indian Point.

Without the bacteria –unmoderated– the reaction could not have occurred
(and did not for 12 billion years before they arrived).
Without the warmth of the reactor surrounding them, the bacteria could not have flourished
as they did, for an estimated billion years, living high on the hog in their self-heating
apartment house, their own self-warming coral reef in a river in Africa,
a successful nuclearbiotic symbiosis of the first magnitude, teaching us how
to use what Gaia provides– the spontaneous warmth of her own body,
contained in her own mineral gift, used locally, in full biomimetic respectfulness,
and Gaiamimetic gratitude, only at the Indian Point Energy Center,
our own biomimetic triumph on the Hudson.

Far from being an interloper, invading a pristine shore, IPEC is seen in this light
to be an environmental savior, using its biomimetics to gather Gaia’s gift,
her self warming mineral deposits, cleanly, silently, and naturally,
to warm & sustain us like the bacteria at Oklo,
rather than burning up the dwindling atmosphere as other power plants,
on coal, oil, or gas, will surely do.

Whatever Springer says, the fact is that a huge population of people, mainly in the third world depend on the kind of central generation permitted by nuclear power plants.

Why would Starre even choose the thread title she did, if that fact were not becoming clearer each day? If nuclear power is not the wave of the future, there may be no future for billions of helpless, dependent thirdworlders un-familiarized for decades with the former tribal lifeways, which are now lost.

Its gone far beyond any “Environmentalism” considerations, you are headed full speed toward a huge human catastrophe, if power is not provided for our 6 billion now, 12 billion soon, and 30 billion in 100 years.

Only the nukes can do the job.
(and they make no smoke)

Anyone needing an encyclopedia–defacto has little or no knowlege of the subject sought, and no familiarity with any academic or technical works on the subject.Therefore one must rely on the professional knowlege and neutrality of the committee commissioning each article, to not be misled, or assertion confused with fact, or that politics be deemed science. In Brittannica this trust is well placed. In Wikipedia, no professional standards exist of this nature. So Wikipedia is handy, it’s innocent-looking, and a great mind-trap, ensnaring the unread into believing the bias of the article writer is the ultimate, definitive, established fact. Once written, skewed “opinions-as-facts” on the Wiki become sacrosanct, as if the first jerk to write the stub article gets to add the bias, and any attempts at correction are termed “vandalization” .When technical matter is discussed, are more heads really better? Only if fully informed, professionally neutral, and not carrying hidden personal agendae. Adding a bunch of anxious wannabes to any “board of experts” is a great opening for pseudo-knowlege, bias, and angry, frustrated square-earth theorists. The Wiki has far too much of this. My advice-?—take a college course, and a subsequent connected internship in industry, or use Brittannica.
You “oppose coal”? That’s pretty bizarre. Tell me, do you propose a “great die-off” of the approximately 4 billion souls whose existence depends entirely on infrastructures created and supported by petroleum/coal/steam/electric power ? Yes mankind can subsist at a certain level abstaining from central energy generation, automobile use, air travel, and petroleum-enhanced agriculture, but at what numbers? Will the deaths be voluntary, let’s say a new activist movement promising to do away with themselves for Gaia? Or shall you choose who is to go first, in the manner of Pol Pot, Saddam Hussein, and Atilla? Mankind, like bees, coral reefs, ants, prairie dogs, and a host of other species, is a symbiote, living in synch with, and dependent on, both nesting arrangements (hives, reefs, dens) and other critters (aphids, beef cattle, etc.) in an archtypal symbiote culture. Critter & Culture are inextricable. Remove the hive, and the bees die. Similarly, remove mankind’s culture of technology & infrastructure, and Homo Sapiens ends. So by “opposing coal” you inadvertently propose a return to Homo Habilis (low tech acculturized) and the death of Sapiens (hightech acculturized). Of course you, in the manner of every myopic self appointed Kultur Kommissariat, omit the details, and just “Oppose Coal”. That is how killing fields arise, from just such omissions. Omission of detail, in this case, is a crime against humanity, and you, sir, appear to be guilty.
All epidemiological data, specifically that used by the Health Physics industry, is based on the single available large sample cohort, that created by bomb victim exposure. That cohort, from Hiroshima & Nagasaki, is still not large enough for extrapolation , they are not broad enogh in their distribution as to place, manner of exposure , etc. Yes, a few others, Pacific Atoll plaintiffs seeking reparations, and a scattering of unagendized victims exist, but no science can be made out of their anecdotes. All data now used is interpolated downward from people having suffered massive acute radiation, in all spectra,within a fraction of a second. Those data are not viable for predicting low dose effects, which stimulate and allow cell repair, and thus adaptation .
Now the “science”. Being protective in intent, Health Physics must choose its “truth” based not on the theory most likely to be true, but thinking legalistically, must base its “knowlege” on assuming the worst. That way you get less truth, but more redundant protection. You get protective overkill. I’m actually alright with that, as long as agendists don’t omit the details, and base other new extrapolations on the H.P. assumptions.
The linear-no-threshold assumption is not proven. It is merely administratively assumed. Because life arose in a bath of radiation, and lives only because of ambient radiation input,… radiation is not alien to flora or fauna, but is involved in the root Darwinian selection leading to their present forms. Adaptation is the mechanism by which species include Darwinian stimuli-such as radiation- into their evolutionary emergence. Radiation is good. (would you give up heat—sunlight)? More than that, it is essential to the Darwinian/Gaian scheme. You cannot select which physical phenomena you “like” and which you “dislike”. That is a puerile narcissism , the thinking of a petulant child, and moreover, is the thinking which leads to monstrosities, like “Nazi Science” or “Socialist Science” which are not science at all, but excuses for the extermination of people. So be real careful, when you “oppose radiation”. You don’t have that option. Imagining you do, is a dementia. My advice— rethink some things, and stop imagining you are in charge of the future. You are not.
Providing protection for people?
Protection fom 21st century civilization, itself , do you mean?
In the entire 360 degree range of physical phenomena, from weather, vulcanism, sunlight, fire, metals and other active minerals, and in the entire 360 degree range of cultural avocations such as animal husbandry (large dangerous, dirty beasts), sailing on oceans in which you may drown, flying in planes which might fall, cars which may crash, elevators which may fall, with people who may give you aids, or anthrax, or avian flu, or even your entertainment, bone-breaking sports, thrill seeking, etc., risks are everywhere. You blind yourself to those you’ve not been agendized to, and you overcompensate for not knowing which fear is a correct fear, by projecting ALL fears, ALL risks, on to your cultic scapegoat item. In your case it’s nuclear power. In other cases, it’s other fetishes, like Shiites, maybe, or Hutus, or Gays, but in each case, it’s a delusion.
Once deluded, you limit your intake of reality, to those comforting items which allow you to go on deluding in that way, smug, self-aggrandizing, demonizing others, & other things, never really growing at all, always reducing options, until you finally find yourself incapable of meeting most other people. You need to talk only to others holding similar delusions. It is nothing more than basic cultism 101. Nowadays it can pass itself off as “activism” but in true fact it is fetish worship, and cultural Bulimia. Haven’t you noticed how bad it’s making you feel? The reason is NOT a lousy planet. The reason IS, in fact, a lousy outlook, which is clinically called an obsession.
All your pseudofactual “discussion” is lame nonsense, because YOU want the Earth to not have coal, and to not have self-heating minerals. I’m gonna do you a favor. I’m gonna stop the world right here, so you can get off. Those marginally surviving 4 billion folks do NOT want to die for you, or for your preferences.
Tell me…. where IS your planet?
It certainly is not this one, the one that has coal, oil, and hot minerals, and 4 billion marginal survivors, alive today, only by means of their use.