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	<description>Because Mother Earth Is A Woman</description>
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		<title>By: veronicaflowers</title>
		<link>http://eco-chick.com/2006/11/12/the-avoided-topic/#comment-520797</link>
		<dc:creator>veronicaflowers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2007 05:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, 
 
i thought i'd say hello to everyone.  i'm new here. 
 
veronica</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, </p>
<p>i thought i&#8217;d say hello to everyone.  i&#8217;m new here. </p>
<p>veronica</p>
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		<title>By: John Feeney</title>
		<link>http://eco-chick.com/2006/11/12/the-avoided-topic/#comment-34227</link>
		<dc:creator>John Feeney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Starre,

I'm glad to see you writing about this. Population growth is really one of the key drivers of today's ecological degradation. There's an excellent article &lt;a href="http://www.mnforsustain.org/bartlett_a_malthus_marginalized.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; about how it has become a taboo subject.

My research into environmental issues has convinced me it's far too important an issue to ignore, so I've started a blog devoted to examining populatoin growth and corporate economic growth as they damage the ecosystem. In the end, we simply have to come to appreciate that the earth is finite.

John</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Starre,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad to see you writing about this. Population growth is really one of the key drivers of today&#8217;s ecological degradation. There&#8217;s an excellent article <a href="http://www.mnforsustain.org/bartlett_a_malthus_marginalized.htm" rel="nofollow">here</a> about how it has become a taboo subject.</p>
<p>My research into environmental issues has convinced me it&#8217;s far too important an issue to ignore, so I&#8217;ve started a blog devoted to examining populatoin growth and corporate economic growth as they damage the ecosystem. In the end, we simply have to come to appreciate that the earth is finite.</p>
<p>John</p>
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		<title>By: Eddie Pittman, Jr.(Bovey)</title>
		<link>http://eco-chick.com/2006/11/12/the-avoided-topic/#comment-29987</link>
		<dc:creator>Eddie Pittman, Jr.(Bovey)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Nov 2006 22:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starre -

The over-population issue is #1 threat to a greener, healthier earth &#38; human-species. You are correct in that it is a subject seldom discussed.
Your article is a good addition. Let's talk about this.
                                                    Bovey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starre -</p>
<p>The over-population issue is #1 threat to a greener, healthier earth &amp; human-species. You are correct in that it is a subject seldom discussed.<br />
Your article is a good addition. Let&#8217;s talk about this.<br />
                                                    Bovey</p>
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		<title>By: Cheyenne Black</title>
		<link>http://eco-chick.com/2006/11/12/the-avoided-topic/#comment-29304</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheyenne Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 23:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that people do stray, though more often than not they return to their roots in their thirties and forties. Who knows why, but I do think it to be true.

The truth is, there is a case to be made on both sides, and both are valid, and important, and should be heard. Then, once heard, each person should make their choice. Legislation, as you mentioned, is going too far (either way), but so is casting judgement on either side.

Whether it is the childless by choice person cqasting judgement on those with kids (not that you are), or those with kids casting judgement on those without, it's somehting we can all discuss but we should understand that it is inherently wrong to cast derision on others for this of all choices in life simply because it so very personal.

Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to feel the need to base their own value on the choices of others, ie. "If you don't want to have kids, you are judging me for having them." I think we all need to relax just a little and let it work itself out a little further before we cast judgement because nature has a way of working these things out and regulating this on her own. :)

I don't think you're selfish, I think you made a thoughtful choice based on your values and your own needs. We all need to do that, and that was the point I was trying to get to. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that people do stray, though more often than not they return to their roots in their thirties and forties. Who knows why, but I do think it to be true.</p>
<p>The truth is, there is a case to be made on both sides, and both are valid, and important, and should be heard. Then, once heard, each person should make their choice. Legislation, as you mentioned, is going too far (either way), but so is casting judgement on either side.</p>
<p>Whether it is the childless by choice person cqasting judgement on those with kids (not that you are), or those with kids casting judgement on those without, it&#8217;s somehting we can all discuss but we should understand that it is inherently wrong to cast derision on others for this of all choices in life simply because it so very personal.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, a lot of people seem to feel the need to base their own value on the choices of others, ie. &#8220;If you don&#8217;t want to have kids, you are judging me for having them.&#8221; I think we all need to relax just a little and let it work itself out a little further before we cast judgement because nature has a way of working these things out and regulating this on her own. :)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re selfish, I think you made a thoughtful choice based on your values and your own needs. We all need to do that, and that was the point I was trying to get to. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Starre</title>
		<link>http://eco-chick.com/2006/11/12/the-avoided-topic/#comment-29278</link>
		<dc:creator>Starre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 19:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful comment, Cheyenne. It is one I have heard about from several friends as well, and I think makes a lot of sense, IF kids behaved as they were taught growing up. But they don't! From the people I've seen, most kids stray pretty far from their parent's visions for them. The biggest pacifists I know had a child that joined the military, and I know two people whose parents could never be considered environmentalists who are both hardcore about their footprints, and really thoughtful about what they consume. While I think your envioronment that you grow in is important, what your parents teach you has much less impact in my opinion. I think culture, your peers and school influence people much more. Just because your teach your kids to be eco, doesn't mean they will be. Not that I am suggesting that you shouldn't try to instill these values,  and certainly you should work to make your family as environmentally friendly as possible, but you're still making more people. 

Again, I'm not saying people shouldn't have kids, but what about adopting? I'm only suggesting severely limiting having biological kids. It comes down to: does the world really need your genes? Or just your ideas? It's a very romantic idea to want to procreate with your beloved, but those feelings are just the biological impetus to combine genes with someone else. I don't know if all desires should be followed without question like that, and current society doesn't seem to question that it's everyone's right and that it's 'good' and 'healthy' to have kids. 

Having told people I don't want to have children, I've gotten a lot of 'you're selfish" remarks. But I'm thinking about my friends' kids, and the the future of all the existing children of the world when I make that decision. There's a little more room for them if I don't procreate. If I were only to make that decision for myself, without thinking of others, I would have kids. But I don't feel that is a responsible choice. So who's the selfish one?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comment, Cheyenne. It is one I have heard about from several friends as well, and I think makes a lot of sense, IF kids behaved as they were taught growing up. But they don&#8217;t! From the people I&#8217;ve seen, most kids stray pretty far from their parent&#8217;s visions for them. The biggest pacifists I know had a child that joined the military, and I know two people whose parents could never be considered environmentalists who are both hardcore about their footprints, and really thoughtful about what they consume. While I think your envioronment that you grow in is important, what your parents teach you has much less impact in my opinion. I think culture, your peers and school influence people much more. Just because your teach your kids to be eco, doesn&#8217;t mean they will be. Not that I am suggesting that you shouldn&#8217;t try to instill these values,  and certainly you should work to make your family as environmentally friendly as possible, but you&#8217;re still making more people. </p>
<p>Again, I&#8217;m not saying people shouldn&#8217;t have kids, but what about adopting? I&#8217;m only suggesting severely limiting having biological kids. It comes down to: does the world really need your genes? Or just your ideas? It&#8217;s a very romantic idea to want to procreate with your beloved, but those feelings are just the biological impetus to combine genes with someone else. I don&#8217;t know if all desires should be followed without question like that, and current society doesn&#8217;t seem to question that it&#8217;s everyone&#8217;s right and that it&#8217;s &#8216;good&#8217; and &#8216;healthy&#8217; to have kids. </p>
<p>Having told people I don&#8217;t want to have children, I&#8217;ve gotten a lot of &#8216;you&#8217;re selfish&#8221; remarks. But I&#8217;m thinking about my friends&#8217; kids, and the the future of all the existing children of the world when I make that decision. There&#8217;s a little more room for them if I don&#8217;t procreate. If I were only to make that decision for myself, without thinking of others, I would have kids. But I don&#8217;t feel that is a responsible choice. So who&#8217;s the selfish one?</p>
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		<title>By: Cheyenne Black</title>
		<link>http://eco-chick.com/2006/11/12/the-avoided-topic/#comment-29253</link>
		<dc:creator>Cheyenne Black</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 17:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fine argument, but leaves out the other side. The fact is that the human population will perpetuate itself one way or the other, and to look only at quantity is irresponsible at best. We have to consider the quality of the population. It is not a given that an american child born today will consume to the degree that their peers do. Just as we can choose to become less consumptive adults, reducing our footprint and living a green lifestyle (which by it's existence influences others) so too can a child raised by parents who are responsible and able to educate them on the correct way to live, grow up to become a positive rather than a negative impact.

My point is that if all environmentalists buy into the fact that they should not have children or should only have one (assuming that this child is born to a pair of environmentalists) the population of "our kind" is doomed to decline while the population of "those who teach their kids to consume" is doomed to increase, and since the apple truly does not fall far from the tree, literally dooming us all.

I am not suggesting a race for population, but I am suggesting the radical notion that some people need to have more than one child if only by dint of needing those amazing and bright, eductaed from childhood, leaders for the next generations.

Population growth is not always a negative. Like so much else, it is depnedent on us, and how we use it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fine argument, but leaves out the other side. The fact is that the human population will perpetuate itself one way or the other, and to look only at quantity is irresponsible at best. We have to consider the quality of the population. It is not a given that an american child born today will consume to the degree that their peers do. Just as we can choose to become less consumptive adults, reducing our footprint and living a green lifestyle (which by it&#8217;s existence influences others) so too can a child raised by parents who are responsible and able to educate them on the correct way to live, grow up to become a positive rather than a negative impact.</p>
<p>My point is that if all environmentalists buy into the fact that they should not have children or should only have one (assuming that this child is born to a pair of environmentalists) the population of &#8220;our kind&#8221; is doomed to decline while the population of &#8220;those who teach their kids to consume&#8221; is doomed to increase, and since the apple truly does not fall far from the tree, literally dooming us all.</p>
<p>I am not suggesting a race for population, but I am suggesting the radical notion that some people need to have more than one child if only by dint of needing those amazing and bright, eductaed from childhood, leaders for the next generations.</p>
<p>Population growth is not always a negative. Like so much else, it is depnedent on us, and how we use it.</p>
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		<title>By: Socialpyramid</title>
		<link>http://eco-chick.com/2006/11/12/the-avoided-topic/#comment-29239</link>
		<dc:creator>Socialpyramid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Nov 2006 15:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Incredible illustration! I love it!</description>
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