Comments on: Green+Woman=Wussy; Green+Man=Technology? http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/ Because Mother Earth Is A Woman Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:32:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Olivia Zaleski http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-413589 Olivia Zaleski Fri, 24 Aug 2007 17:27:03 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-413589 Hugg and Digg Starre’s Posts Here: http://www.hugg.com/storylink/7803 http://digg.com/users/danitygo/news/dugg Hugg and Digg Starre’s Posts Here:

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]]> By: hobgoblin http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-369311 hobgoblin Tue, 14 Aug 2007 15:00:57 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-369311 Great, thoughtful post. As a man and environmentalist, I have long wondered why environmental issues are seen by many as feminine. As long as men breathe the air, drink the water, and live on the planet alongside women, the environment should be both a masculine and feminine issue. Great, thoughtful post. As a man and environmentalist, I have long wondered why environmental issues are seen by many as feminine. As long as men breathe the air, drink the water, and live on the planet alongside women, the environment should be both a masculine and feminine issue.

]]> By: Brianne http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-353544 Brianne Sat, 11 Aug 2007 04:58:30 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-353544 Fantastic post, Starre. Keep truckin. Fantastic post, Starre. Keep truckin.

]]> By: Shannon http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-353065 Shannon Sat, 11 Aug 2007 02:12:40 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-353065 Excellent post. I certainly don't want to see discussions "taken over" by men, but I am hoping that getting men on board will enrich the possibility for change. Ummm....not to sound sexist.....but men seem to have been so concerned with the business and economy end. I think the opportunity to create new green business markets and reinvent industries will help sell them about making serious and immediate changes. Business 2.0 just ran an excellent article on it. It we need to "package" environmentalism differently in order to garner Excellent post. I certainly don’t want to see discussions “taken over” by men, but I am hoping that getting men on board will enrich the possibility for change.

Ummm….not to sound sexist…..but men seem to have been so concerned with the business and economy end. I think the opportunity to create new green business markets and reinvent industries will help sell them about making serious and immediate changes. Business 2.0 just ran an excellent article on it. It we need to “package” environmentalism differently in order to garner

]]> By: marguerite manteau-rao http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-351722 marguerite manteau-rao Fri, 10 Aug 2007 19:10:54 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-351722 I agree with Sophie. I am very much a pro-men feminist. My issues are with the patriarchy, of which both men and women suffer equally. Men love technology, and that's great, and they can do their thing. Women bring their own sensibility, that complement men's approach to problem solve. marguerite http://lamarguerite.wordpress.com "The Daily Sins of a Green Girl Wannabe" I agree with Sophie. I am very much a pro-men feminist. My issues are with the patriarchy, of which both men and women suffer equally. Men love technology, and that’s great, and they can do their thing. Women bring their own sensibility, that complement men’s approach to problem solve.

marguerite
http://lamarguerite.wordpress.com
“The Daily Sins of a Green Girl Wannabe”

]]> By: E.R. Dunhill http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-350872 E.R. Dunhill Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:53:38 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-350872 Starre, I think the problem may be less in redefining “green” and more in redefining values. If we continue to focus on making environmentalism fit into our lifestyles, we will accomplish very little for the good of the environment. After all, much of the recent green trend in marketing is the same old companies trying to sell the same old products to the same old market, using a fresh coat of paint. If instead, we elevate environmental values to be central, integral ambitions, like the desire to raise a family or to be successful in ones career, positive change will be broad and lasting. For this to happen, I think we have to reassert the value of community. When people value their families, their neighbors, their common resources, and their shared future, it will matter less and less who feeds the children and who decides which car to buy. Justin, I think you’re spending time with the wrong men. -ERD Starre,
I think the problem may be less in redefining “green” and more in redefining values. If we continue to focus on making environmentalism fit into our lifestyles, we will accomplish very little for the good of the environment. After all, much of the recent green trend in marketing is the same old companies trying to sell the same old products to the same old market, using a fresh coat of paint. If instead, we elevate environmental values to be central, integral ambitions, like the desire to raise a family or to be successful in ones career, positive change will be broad and lasting.
For this to happen, I think we have to reassert the value of community. When people value their families, their neighbors, their common resources, and their shared future, it will matter less and less who feeds the children and who decides which car to buy.

Justin,
I think you’re spending time with the wrong men.

-ERD

]]> By: Miranda http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-347581 Miranda Thu, 09 Aug 2007 22:40:43 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-347581 I couldn't agree more with your point -- was going to blog this myself. I've observed that mags geared toward men, when publishing articles on the environment, focus on techno stuff (WIRED, e.g.) and those geared toward women focus on "this chemical/global warming/whatever is harming our babies!" (Elle, etc.) I'd like to see more techno in women's mags and more harming-our-babies in men's --- people need to see the other angles on the issues. Interestingly, in Grist's interviews this past week with all the Dem candidates on their environmental platforms, Hillary Clinton's positions are some of the butchest I've seen. BUT she also seems to be the only one they interviewed that brought up environmental health issues-- after all, women and children take a bigger hit from toxic chemicals than men. So good for her, even though she's not my candidate of choice. I couldn’t agree more with your point — was going to blog this myself. I’ve observed that mags geared toward men, when publishing articles on the environment, focus on techno stuff (WIRED, e.g.) and those geared toward women focus on “this chemical/global warming/whatever is harming our babies!” (Elle, etc.) I’d like to see more techno in women’s mags and more harming-our-babies in men’s — people need to see the other angles on the issues.

Interestingly, in Grist’s interviews this past week with all the Dem candidates on their environmental platforms, Hillary Clinton’s positions are some of the butchest I’ve seen. BUT she also seems to be the only one they interviewed that brought up environmental health issues– after all, women and children take a bigger hit from toxic chemicals than men. So good for her, even though she’s not my candidate of choice.

]]> By: Deirdre http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-347421 Deirdre Thu, 09 Aug 2007 21:52:06 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-347421 Not sure if you are aware of the game of blog tag going around... So, Tag! Your it! Here's how it works: Players list 8 facts/habits about themselves. At the end of the post, players then tag 8 other bloggers by posting their names and making sure they know they’ve been tagged by leaving a comment at the tagee’s blog. Not sure if you are aware of the game of blog tag going around…

So, Tag! Your it!

Here’s how it works: Players list 8 facts/habits about themselves. At the end of the post, players then tag 8 other bloggers by posting their names and making sure they know they’ve been tagged by leaving a comment at the tagee’s blog.

]]> By: Justin George http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-340299 Justin George Wed, 08 Aug 2007 09:49:52 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-340299 Admittedly, I am male, so I'm probably not the best equipped (no pun intended) to judge, but I have to say it comes down to a common problem. Men are dumb. Seriously. It's not manly to read, or save money, or refrain from doing stupid and/or dangerous things (drinking yourself into a coma, jumping off of bridges, snowboarding, etc). In order to get said males to accept it, you have to 'butch' it up. Women don't need the prompting to feel inclined to do smart things, so it's best to gear it to the guys. This is being felt in education, particularly, where male enrollment and graduation at the university level is dropping precipitously. Male literacy and secondary school graduation is down, too. Admittedly, I am male, so I’m probably not the best equipped (no pun intended) to judge, but I have to say it comes down to a common problem.

Men are dumb. Seriously. It’s not manly to read, or save money, or refrain from doing stupid and/or dangerous things (drinking yourself into a coma, jumping off of bridges, snowboarding, etc). In order to get said males to accept it, you have to ‘butch’ it up. Women don’t need the prompting to feel inclined to do smart things, so it’s best to gear it to the guys.

This is being felt in education, particularly, where male enrollment and graduation at the university level is dropping precipitously. Male literacy and secondary school graduation is down, too.

]]> By: sophie http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-338525 sophie Wed, 08 Aug 2007 01:20:43 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-338525 Why is it that women always feel the need to compare themselves to men? They don't compare themselves to us. It's hard enough to fight against people who aren't simply recycling, against big polluting businesses, against people driving carbon-emitting cars every day, male or female without having to fight against each other on, "Anything you can do I can do better." Seriously. It is nice to fine a female friendly environment where I am comfortable, but ragging on men is not my pink cup of organic tea. Why is it that women always feel the need to compare themselves to men? They don’t compare themselves to us.

It’s hard enough to fight against people who aren’t simply recycling, against big polluting businesses, against people driving carbon-emitting cars every day, male or female without having to fight against each other on, “Anything you can do I can do better.”

Seriously.

It is nice to fine a female friendly environment where I am comfortable, but ragging on men is not my pink cup of organic tea.

]]> By: Starre http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-336990 Starre Tue, 07 Aug 2007 18:40:52 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-336990 Lorna, Well put! I think your idea of women starting the discussion as right on, I hadn't thought of it that way. Lorna,

Well put! I think your idea of women starting the discussion as right on, I hadn’t thought of it that way.

]]> By: lornadoone http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-336821 lornadoone Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:58:59 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-336821 Whether this is true or not, like so many things, it is possible that women have started the discussion and men have taken it over. This can certainly be seen as either a positive or a negative. It would be infuriating if women's voices were lost once a topic became "muscular." It seems as if it's so often our (women's) job to get humans thinking and then step back while men make decisions regarding the issues we brought to light. Unfortunately, this has not always led to the best decisions in the past. That is not to say that men aren't intelligent, sensible creatures; it's just that having both genders represented in a conversation is likely to bring about the most options and better choices. I'm thankful to live in an era where women don't just completely have to back down and remain quiet, even if there are still major discrpencies in representation of ideas. Whether this is true or not, like so many things, it is possible that women have started the discussion and men have taken it over. This can certainly be seen as either a positive or a negative. It would be infuriating if women’s voices were lost once a topic became “muscular.” It seems as if it’s so often our (women’s) job to get humans thinking and then step back while men make decisions regarding the issues we brought to light. Unfortunately, this has not always led to the best decisions in the past. That is not to say that men aren’t intelligent, sensible creatures; it’s just that having both genders represented in a conversation is likely to bring about the most options and better choices. I’m thankful to live in an era where women don’t just completely have to back down and remain quiet, even if there are still major discrpencies in representation of ideas.

]]> By: jessica http://eco-chick.com/2007/08/07/greenwomanwussy-greenmantechnology/#comment-336775 jessica Tue, 07 Aug 2007 17:46:56 +0000 http://eco-chick.com/?p=874#comment-336775 great post, thanks. great post, thanks.

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